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In his maiden speech to the House of Commons, the Hon. Member for Copeland, Jamie Reed MP, announced that he is a Jedi: “as the first Jedi Member of this place, I look forward to the protection under the law that will be provided to me by the Bill”

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The Force is retarded with this one… (Score:4, Funny)
by TripMaster Monkey (862126) * on Wednesday June 29, @02:23PM (#12943117)
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This whole Jedi religion [scaryplace.com] dreck has now officially gone too far. To those misguided simpletons out there who insist on calling themselves ‘Jedi knights’, I offer you this chance to prove yourselves:

  • Just build a lightsaber. A real one. That’s all.

What’s that…you can’t? Don’t have suitable raw materials, you say?
OK…that’s fair…how about this, then:

  • Force choke me. From where you are right now. Go ahead…it’s OK.

Are you doing it? I’m not feeling anything…

And …

Re:The Force is retarded with this one… (Score:5, Insightful)
by Phillup (317168) on Wednesday June 29, @03:07PM (#12943653)
There’s no such thing as the force, and there never will be

And, this is different from other religions how?

I think that a lot of religous folks should take these comments to heart. And I am not just talking about Christians here. There are a lot of other religous folks that feel that they have the exclusive ownership of some universal truth that transends all, but cannot be proven by empirical or logical reasoning.

To this I say – Bull. Faith is not enough to validate a universal truth.

Let’s look at what the Truth about Truth is:

truth (trūth) pronunciation
n., pl. truths (trūTHz, trūths).

1. Conformity to fact or actuality.
2. A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
3. Sincerity; integrity.
4. Fidelity to an original or standard.
5.
1. Reality; actuality.
2. often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.

(From Answers.com). We can throw out meaning #2 right now, as it is recursive. Truth, by definition, is based in fact. Not faith. When some one decides to blow themselves up, I would hope that they have truth on their side, and not faith. Did Jesus want people to declare Crusades in his name? Burn witches in his name? Or, did he want people to just get along and love one and another?

I do not discount people’s right to choose what they believe. However, this belief should be held with the understanding that it might not be consistent with fact or reality. This should temper their understanding of other’s choices to believe as they see fit. When you understand that you, in point of fact, do not really understand how the universe works, it makes you more humble. We are like worms living in an apple. We think that is the entire world, not seeing the tree, roots, seeds and other apples.

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  1. Should I even bring this up? Dare I ask how Goat Cheese is made? For some reason the thought of it merely being cheese made from goat’s milk just doesn’t cut it. There is a disgusting ring to the term Goat Cheese.

    What if you’re wrong, oh yes, you very well could be wrong. The moon is not made of Goat Cheese at all, but Swiss Cheese, which accounts for all of the surface holes we can see.

    My Flat Earth buddies and I are in complete agreement on this fact.

  2. "<em>I agree that tolerence is a good thing, but it can be taken too far. We should not tolerate injustice for example. We must have things we believe in that we are willing to stand up for.</em>"

    The only thing that I will not tolerate is intolerance.

    :)

    And – in re the goat cheese. I have done experments with Goat Cheese. I have made it into balls and flung it at things. It stays crumbly. As I do not have a moon-sized hunk of goat cheese (and the moon is not goat cheese, so we do not have ready access to a moon sized hunk of goat cheese) it is hard to say what would happen under such extreme compression.

    So, I decided to make a small experment. I squished some goat cheese to see if it became stronger. It did not – it simply squished all over the place.

    So, I stand behind my belief that if the moon were made of Goat Cheese, it would not be able to hold it’s current roundish form.

  3. I question your logic on the whole goat cheese moon issue. While certainly small amounts of goat cheese are soft and crumbly, and object the size of the moon would be greatly compacted due to gravitiational pressure.

    Further, I will of course kill you if you don’t believe the moon is made of goat cheese.

    Based upon this logic you might want to alter your beliefs

    :)

  4. I think that the original article was not about Jedism, but rather about the lack of ablity for some people to realize that religion is essentially man made, and therefore should not be accepted with out question.

  5. Any toxic meme is a bad thing – not just religous ones. I think that religous toxicity is at a forefront, as many of the major world religions have a checkered past. Religon is also a perfect medium to pass on toxic memes – as many of them are very concerned with creating an enviroment that allows it’s meme to be passed on. The concept of Faith is a perfect example of this. It asks us to not think about <i>it</i>, but to simply accept <i>it</i>. A perfect example is the Christian view of themselves as ‘sheep’ or ‘lambs’ of God. Sheep are unquestioning followers. I am not a sheep. I am a wolf. I prowl, question, probe. I do not blindly accept.

    Turning off the logical portions of my brain is not possible anymore. I cannot rely on faith alone. I must "<i>Kill the Buddha</i>", and question everything. If a preist tells me that the moon is made of Goat Cheese, then I am going to try and travel there to verify that claim – or put the burden on him to prove it.

    Lacking hard emperical evidence, there has to be a logical consitiancy. Experimental evidence shows that the moon probally cannot be made of Goat Cheese. Goat Cheese is soft and crumbly. Using basic logic and physics, one would determine that a object the size of the moon that was made out of Goat Cheese should deteriorate quickly. Especally when thumped with large objects travelling at high speeds, as the moon has been. Ergo, the moon has a very high probability of not being made out of Goat Cheese.

  6. "Certainly secular ‘believers’ of various stripes have been just as quick, if not quicker, to kill for their beliefs."

    There can almost be no comparison between religious killings and non-religious killings.

    It seems killing those who don’t agree with you is one of the primary actions for the religious fanatics (note, I do not mean that every religious person would do, or would condon this).

    Non-religious folks may kill for things like the belief that their family must be protected, but short of that there really is no other reason to kill someone if you’re a non-believer.

    We’re not even factoring in common thugs and criminals, they’re a whole different whacked out bunch.

  7. I disagree the religion is especially virulent as far as killing for ideas go. Certainly secular ‘believers’ of various stripes have been just as quick, if not quicker, to kill for their beliefs.

    I agree that tolerence is a good thing, but it can be taken too far. We should not tolerate injustice for example. We must have things we believe in that we are willing to stand up for.

  8. Taking that on faith is not a bad thing. However, holding that truth – and holding it as a universal truth – would you feel like converting a pessimist to your cause? If he did not convert, would you want to kill him?

    That is an extreme case, however when some on has a ‘if you do not belive as we do, then you are the enemy’ out look can make the jump to extremism very easly.

    Every fath that has ‘universal truth’ on it’s side has these extremists. The Christians have the Abortion Doctor killers, the Crusades, the KKK, the Irish Catholics and Prodistians, the Witch Burnings. The Muslems have the current spate of terror.

    Meme Structures need to include tolerance, or they should be consitered toxic, and fought with all of the vigor of an outbreak of small pox or ebola. Too many of the current religous Memes do not include tolerance, or simply pay lip service to it.

    At one time, I was close to a fundementalist Christian. I have studied the bible, I have lived the life. However, I found that it was lacking for me. That is my personal choice. If you want to belive in God on High – more power to you. However, you need to examine the philophsy behind what is being taught to you in Church. There are sick people everywhere. Some one that feels a God Given Right to take my freedom of choice of religion away is sick. They have a toxic meme and need to be treated like some one with Ebola or Small Pox or AIDS. With compassion, care and treatment.

    I side with the Republicans on many issues. I do not agree when it comes to taking away rights via Goverment control. That is, in point of fact, a liberal stance. Liberals think that the goverment should control us. Conservitives favor small goverment that stays out of people’s way.

  9. I don’t know if you have seen Second Hand Lions or not, if not you should.

    The line that most struck me from that movie: "Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love… true love never dies. You remember that, boy. You remember that. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. You see, a man should believe in those things, because those are the things worth believing in."

    I believe that.

  10. I would support some one who wanted to be a Jedi – however I think that he should realise that his religion is made up, or at least not based on fact.

  11. What’s wrong with Jedi Knights? These people are not using light sabers, or flying through the universe, but they have recognized a cause that stands for the protection of all beings, and they believe in all the things that the Jedi in the movies do.

    Granted it’s a bit strange to hitch your spiritual wagon to a religion from a movie, but I wouldn’t mind sharing my world with the order of Jedi Knights. In fact, I’d welcome their gallant belief that everyone should just learn to play nicely together.

    Christians may have big problem with that, because it encroaches on their plan to dominate the world. ;)

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