Buddhism says that suffering is the lot of all creatures (everyone is in hell in a way) and that the only way out is non-existence. I find both the preoccupation with suffering and the concept that not existing is better than existing to be extremely troubling.

Buddhism does indeed say that life is suffering. I don’t see this ‘preoccupation’ as anything other then looking around and seeing that the world is in fact a suffering filled place. Realizing that suffering has been an essential part of life for all of recorded history is the first step towards learning how to live with out the addiction to suffering that we all, well, suffer from.

If we are not aware that we are sick, how can we cure ourselves?

Happiness is transient. So is suffering. Everything in this world is transient. Buddhism sees this, and gives us a path out of suffering. This path does not lead to non-existence, but rather to emptiness. There is a very large difference between non-existence and emptiness. It has taken me over 20 years of asking questions and searching to get to where I am now, and to the miniscule level of understanding that I have.

“Emptiness:” this is one of the most subtle, elusive and widely misunderstood of all Buddhist ideas, sometimes summed up with the phrase “the unsubstantiality of all phenomena.” Contrary to popular misconception, this is not a nihilistic philosophy, as it does not deny the very real existence of things – it just asserts that things are not as they seem. The concept is that reality as we know it is illusory in many ways, and is actually empty of certain qualities we believe it to have, because our perceptions and conceptions are misleading. This is not to say that things don’t really exist, but rather it is to say that they exist in a way that is vastly different to what our perceptions would lead us to believe. So in Buddhist thinking, our ordinary “reality” or “existence” is empty of certain qualities it appears to have. An example of a quality we mistakenly perceive in some things is permanence. Things are actually empty of permanence, because everything changes, and there are no exceptions to this. Even though a mountain might seem like a permanent feature of the planet, or even the universe, in fact the mountain, as well as everything else, is in a state of continuous flux and decay. It’s just that we aren’t aware of some of those changes which occur too slowly for us to notice. One of the most interesting examples of this principle of Impermanence is that the top of Mt Everest is made of the same stuff as the ocean floor – limestone. That’s because the top of Mt Everest once was the ocean floor! Due to the ongoing continental drift, the earth’s crust is still buckling and pushing up the height of the Himalayas by a few centimeters each year. . . Other examples of apparent qualities that our existence is actually empty of are self-identity and inherent [ie, non-conditional] existence

Dharma the Cat

Nirvana is pointed to as the ending to the Buddhist path.

The fact is, Nirvana can only be explained to the ‘unenlightened’ by negation. The Buddhist texts tell us what it cannot be thought of as, but the only positive descriptions of it tend toward non-existence. An example of this is the simile of the fire that the Buddha uses in his dialogue with Vacchagotama. He asks whether the fire, when it is extinguished, can be said to have gone north, south, east, or west. Of course, the obvious answer is that the fire no longer exists. Nirvana, however, cannot be described as existing, not existing, both existing and not, or neither existing nor not. For Buddhism, even nothingness is constituted by the relative contingencies that arise co-dependently as samsara.

Omar Moad

The fact of the matter is we, as unenlightened beings, can no more understand enlightenment then a earthworm can understand flight. Only by walking the path can we come to understand where it ends.

This in no way means that we are blindly faithful to the path. It’s more like stairs then a path. Each step up is hard work. Each step also lays out a definitive goal for that step. The Buddha instructs us to walk away from the stairs if at any time they fail us.

This truth is as equally attainable by the disciples as it was by the Teacher, and their knowledge is independent of him. The Buddha once asked Shariputra, “Do you believe what I have been explaining to you?” Shariputra answered, “Yes, I see that it is so.” The Buddha asked him, “Are you saying this just out of faith in me?” Shariputra answered, “No, I answered in agreement not because of faith in the Blessed One, but because I clearly see for myself that it is so.” [Pubbakotthaka Sutta, Saim. S.V. 220]

Bhikkhu P.A. Payutto

We are at all times to question, think and examine what we believe and what we hold to be a truth. We are all walkers on these steps – our only difference is where we are on them, and what path we have taken up them.

At least Christianity has a heaven.

Which seems more reasonable? An eternal life sitting on clouds and singing which cannot be proven to exist, or learning how to be happier here and now?

4 thoughts on “Emptyness”

  1. I don’t think there is a definitive viewpoint. I think it’s based on one’s religious views. I certainly have heard the "fluffy clouds and harps" bit, but that seems somewhat, well, dull! :)

  2. I would expect that heaven would be at least as hard to explain as nirvana. Given that you best effort seems like mostly gibberish to me, and having respect for both your faith and your intelligence, I would certainly not even attempt to explain heaven.

    However, even a layman should be aware that the concept of heaven would be perfect happiness. I would imagine that for some people, the best they could approach in attempting to describe it would be singing on clouds. For a serf during the dark ages, that would probably seem pretty darn wonderful.

    Your version of Buhdism seems similar to me to that of Christians who don’t believe in Christ as a son of God or the resurrection, merely that he was a good teacher and a powerful philosopher. There is nothing wrong with this per se, but a person holding that belief isn’t really, from what I know of theology a Christian. Your discomfort with reincarnation and karma seem similar to me.

    What it boils down to, is pretty basic philosophy with similar concepts held by a wide range of peoples. For the most part, I find it either trivial or meaningless. There is suffering, there is no permance. Nothing there seems to me to be that profound or unique.

    I guess, I don’t find suffering all the horrible in the scheme of things. I certainly would not choose to eliminate it if I could. In the wise words of Captain Kirk: "You know that pain and guilt can’t be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They’re the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don’t want my pain taken away! I need my pain!"

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